The Soresu Master vs The Vaapad Master
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Obi Wan Kenobi vs Mace Windu would be a legendary battle to finally put to rest the idea of Offense vs Defense. The two Jedi are exactly the opposite masters of each other.
Back Story:
In The Prequel era, Mace Windu and Obi Wan Kenobi were both highly regarded Jedi Masters on the Jedi Council. Both were considered the top Jedi next to Grand-master Yoda as well as Anakin Skywalker aka The Chosen One.
The Challenge:
During a flight to a Republic Base Mace Windu praised Obi Wan for his mastery in Soreu ( The Defensive Form)
Mace Windu: "I wonder who would win? The master of a classic form, or The master of a killing form."
Obi Wan: " Master Windu you flatter me, but I wouldn't say Master".
Mace Windu: " I didnt say A Master I said THE Master "
In this contest we are going to be taking Obi Wan Kenobi vs Mace Windu in a sparring duel because these two wouldn't kill each other, but they would spar each other and we would see who comes out on top. Again we will do the common 4 rounds based on Physical Abilities, Dueling Skills, Force Abilities, and Tactics. The final part will be a scenario.
Obi Wan was a middle aged male in his later 30's during his prime of The Clone Wars. Obi Wan was a master of attrition fighting which means he had a great endurance that only the best of the best can match. This is evidence when he has his long Lightsaber battle against Darth Vader on Mustafar. It was said that Obi Wan Kenobi and Anakin covered a few miles on their foot pursuit. Obi Wan was considered a well built and strong person. Some would say he was a humanoid tank. This means Obi Wan was able to take a lot of damage and keep on fighting. Obi Wan was also considered fast and highly reflexive in lightsaber combat dueling as well as hand to hand combat, he was considered as good as a martial artist Darth Maul was and agile as well when need be, but he most of the time was able to be strong and firm in his standing. On a scale of 1-10 on his physical abilities Obi Wan Kenobi has a 9.5 out of 10 due to his resilience during combat as well as his endurance can outlast anyone.
Mace Windu was a Human Jedi who was older in his years around 40, but he was just as good in shape as men half his age. He was considered one of the most powerful force users in the Jedi order and was gifted with great physical abilities, Mace Windu was considered to be one of the most in shape Jedi of the order, on a scale of 1-10 on physical conditioning, Mace Windu would be at a 9, I say 9 due to his older age, but dont let that fool you in how well he is conditioned. Mace Windu was well conditioned to have marathon lightsaber duels as well as engage with enemies who were younger and stronger than he was, but to give you an idea of how strong Mace Windu was during a battle in the clone wars he destroyed over 100,000 battle droids in a fight and slayed many of them just using his bare hands. This speaks greatly to his strength, speed, agility, and endurance to last in a fight. Mace also was able to keep up with the speeds of Grand Master Yoda and Darth Sidious who were considered some of the fastest beings in the galaxy. He fought on equal offensive output as General Grievous who could strike up to 20 strikes per second, if not Mace Windu could put more of an offensive output making him deathly quick.
On a scale of 1-10 on who wins round 1
Obi Wan Kenobi: 5
Mace Windu: 5
Round 1: Physical Abilities
Obi Wan Kenobi
Obi Wan was a middle aged male in his later 30's during his prime of The Clone Wars. Obi Wan was a master of attrition fighting which means he had a great endurance that only the best of the best can match. This is evidence when he has his long Lightsaber battle against Darth Vader on Mustafar. It was said that Obi Wan Kenobi and Anakin covered a few miles on their foot pursuit. Obi Wan was considered a well built and strong person. Some would say he was a humanoid tank. This means Obi Wan was able to take a lot of damage and keep on fighting. Obi Wan was also considered fast and highly reflexive in lightsaber combat dueling as well as hand to hand combat, he was considered as good as a martial artist Darth Maul was and agile as well when need be, but he most of the time was able to be strong and firm in his standing. On a scale of 1-10 on his physical abilities Obi Wan Kenobi has a 9.5 out of 10 due to his resilience during combat as well as his endurance can outlast anyone.
Mace Windu
On a scale of 1-10 on who wins round 1
Obi Wan Kenobi: 5
Mace Windu: 5
Round 2: Dueling Abilities
Obi Wan Kenobi
Obi Wan Kenobis Fighitng
Styles:
Form IV Ataru: This was a highly aggressive form capitalizing on quick strikes and combing flips and martial combat into the mix along with arial strikes. Obi Wan was considered a great practitioner
Form IV Ataru: This was a highly aggressive form capitalizing on quick strikes and combing flips and martial combat into the mix along with arial strikes. Obi Wan was considered a great practitioner
in this form.
Form V Nimon/Jar'Kai: Obi Wan despite not being seen with two Lightsabers at once in films, does a demonstration on how well he can use the form against two Sith Warriors, Darth Maul and Savage Oppress.
Form III: Soresu: This form was the 100% defensive form that guaranteed the user to live in battles, but it offered no offensive abilities so the practitioner had to create their own opportunities. Soresu's main focus was to be energy efficient and tire down the offensive opponent until they gave up due to fatigue or made a mistake in their fighting style for the defensive practitioner to capitalize on. Obi Wan Kenobi was not a master of the form, but THE MASTER of the form admitted by Mace Windu.
Form III also had no weaknesses compared against any other form of Lightsaber combat.
Obi Wan Kenobi's Greatest Feats:
1. He went toe to toe with Darth Vader in the battle of Mustafar and beat him in his potential prime.
2. Kenobi was able to fight with Qui Gon against the highly trained and out of his skill level at the time Darth Maul and was able to defeat him. ( Only to have him return later )
3. Obi Wan was the perfect warrior to handle the barrage of attacks from General Grievous and defeated him while being on the defensive.
4. Obi Wan Kenobi was able to meet the skills of Count Dooku in episode 3, This is discussed in the novels by how impressed Count Dooku was that Kenobi had become a Soresu Master. Dooku only beat Kenobi again by way of the force, not in swordsmanship like episode 2.
5. Because of that acknowledgement from the highly renouned Dooku, this means Obi Wan Kenobi was able to contend with the best of the best swordsmen and not fall to being outmatched by swordplay.
6. Obi Wan used the form Nimon: Jar'kai, an unfamiliar form to him and faced off against the deadly brother duo of Darth Maul and Savage Oppress.
7. Obi Wan Kenobi has had multiple duels with General Grievous and is one of the only Jedi who live from it.
8. Kenobi was able to defeat Asajj Ventress more than once
9. Obi Wan Kenobi had perfected the Form III Soresu, (lets put this short as a person who actually does swordplay, if someone has an Iron wall that cant be broken, despite the ferocity of an attack, it wont be broke so the offense becomes mute.)
10. Obi Wan Kenobi was considered one of the smartest duelist when it came to his opponents from using the high ground, to working his way inside of a rushed enemies flurry of blows, Obi Wan Kenobi is always thinking on his feet when it comes to a duel.
11.Obi Wan Kenobi has faced off against the galaxies deadliest foes and overcame them and also did so by not losing anything vital like an arm or a leg.
12. It took Darth Vader to defeat an Old Obi Wan Kenobi, though Kenobi knew he was sacrificing himself during his last duel.
Form V Nimon/Jar'Kai: Obi Wan despite not being seen with two Lightsabers at once in films, does a demonstration on how well he can use the form against two Sith Warriors, Darth Maul and Savage Oppress.
Form III: Soresu: This form was the 100% defensive form that guaranteed the user to live in battles, but it offered no offensive abilities so the practitioner had to create their own opportunities. Soresu's main focus was to be energy efficient and tire down the offensive opponent until they gave up due to fatigue or made a mistake in their fighting style for the defensive practitioner to capitalize on. Obi Wan Kenobi was not a master of the form, but THE MASTER of the form admitted by Mace Windu.
Form III also had no weaknesses compared against any other form of Lightsaber combat.
Obi Wan Kenobi's Greatest Feats:
1. He went toe to toe with Darth Vader in the battle of Mustafar and beat him in his potential prime.
2. Kenobi was able to fight with Qui Gon against the highly trained and out of his skill level at the time Darth Maul and was able to defeat him. ( Only to have him return later )
3. Obi Wan was the perfect warrior to handle the barrage of attacks from General Grievous and defeated him while being on the defensive.
4. Obi Wan Kenobi was able to meet the skills of Count Dooku in episode 3, This is discussed in the novels by how impressed Count Dooku was that Kenobi had become a Soresu Master. Dooku only beat Kenobi again by way of the force, not in swordsmanship like episode 2.
5. Because of that acknowledgement from the highly renouned Dooku, this means Obi Wan Kenobi was able to contend with the best of the best swordsmen and not fall to being outmatched by swordplay.
6. Obi Wan used the form Nimon: Jar'kai, an unfamiliar form to him and faced off against the deadly brother duo of Darth Maul and Savage Oppress.
7. Obi Wan Kenobi has had multiple duels with General Grievous and is one of the only Jedi who live from it.
8. Kenobi was able to defeat Asajj Ventress more than once
9. Obi Wan Kenobi had perfected the Form III Soresu, (lets put this short as a person who actually does swordplay, if someone has an Iron wall that cant be broken, despite the ferocity of an attack, it wont be broke so the offense becomes mute.)
10. Obi Wan Kenobi was considered one of the smartest duelist when it came to his opponents from using the high ground, to working his way inside of a rushed enemies flurry of blows, Obi Wan Kenobi is always thinking on his feet when it comes to a duel.
11.Obi Wan Kenobi has faced off against the galaxies deadliest foes and overcame them and also did so by not losing anything vital like an arm or a leg.
12. It took Darth Vader to defeat an Old Obi Wan Kenobi, though Kenobi knew he was sacrificing himself during his last duel.
On a scale of 1-10 Obi Wan Kenobi I would consider is the most well rounded, but perfect defensive master, He is a perfect 10 to me.
Mace Windu
Mace Windu is by far
one of the most powerful Jedi in the order and is regarded as one of the top
swordsmen in the entire Star Wars history. Not one person on this list would
ever make easy work of the Jedi Master. Mace Windu was the second in command next
to Grandmaster Yoda and was considered the face of the Jedi order before the
prophecy Anakin came along. This Jedi Master is considered one of the deadliest
warriors due to his magnificent abilities. Many people suspect Mace Windu of
almost falling to the Dark Side, but allow me to clarify, he has a Dark Side
aurora with him.
Mace Windu is a master in all Lightsaber combat, but his favorite Lightsaber form is a self made varient of the 7th Sith Form Juyo calld, Vaapad: This is a highly aggressive form that requires the user to enjoy the battle and use the dark side of the forces energy against the opponent. Mace Windu was by far the top tier user of the 7th form variant and was the best of the best as they come in regards to offensive abilities.
Mace Windu's Greatest Feats:
1. Having a 1 on 1 duel with Darth Sidious, the fight was described as a battle of flashing shadows this was the ultimate Sith Lord vs Jedi Master battle.
2. Usually able to contend with Count Dooku as an equal if not be his better in sparring.
3. Windu would have defeated Sidious had Anakin not stepped in.
4. Windu Easily killed legendary bounty hunter Jango Fett.
5. Windu once decimated an entire droid army by himself using only his hands and the force and his lightsaber techniques.
6. Windu has the force ability called shatterpoint that works against an opponents openings.
Mace Windu is a master in all Lightsaber combat, but his favorite Lightsaber form is a self made varient of the 7th Sith Form Juyo calld, Vaapad: This is a highly aggressive form that requires the user to enjoy the battle and use the dark side of the forces energy against the opponent. Mace Windu was by far the top tier user of the 7th form variant and was the best of the best as they come in regards to offensive abilities.
Mace Windu's Greatest Feats:
1. Having a 1 on 1 duel with Darth Sidious, the fight was described as a battle of flashing shadows this was the ultimate Sith Lord vs Jedi Master battle.
2. Usually able to contend with Count Dooku as an equal if not be his better in sparring.
3. Windu would have defeated Sidious had Anakin not stepped in.
4. Windu Easily killed legendary bounty hunter Jango Fett.
5. Windu once decimated an entire droid army by himself using only his hands and the force and his lightsaber techniques.
6. Windu has the force ability called shatterpoint that works against an opponents openings.
Winner of this round by scale of 1-10
Obi Wan Kenobi: 5.1
Mace Windu: 4.9
I only say this because Mace Windu despite being a great swordsman next to Yoda or Anakin, he has not been as accomplished as Obi Wan Kenobi. Kenobi would be able to hold his own against Palpatine in Lightsaber Combat, The main thing is that Mace Windu's Vaapad is very strong against Darkside users, but Obi Wan Kenobi is the perfect example of what a Jedi should be. Windu would be fighting against a warrior of the light, but the main thing is that even though Windu can use his own dark aura, this wouldnt hold out long enough against Obi Wan Kenobi. Eventually when it came down to a extended lightsaber duel Obi Wan would outlast due to his endurance and is skilled enough in offensive combat and clever enough to have an offensive plan in mind. The thing is the person who is always on the defensive and keeps their energy studies and is able to perceive the offensive parties tactics and plans.
Round 3: Force Abilities
Obi Wan Kenobi
Kenobi was considered a powerful, wise, and talaented Jedi Master, though he was not considered the most powerful such as Yoda, Mace Windu, or Anakin, or Count Dooku, or Sidious he was a skilled master with great debt in the force, able to become a force ghost eventually in his older age, but also was a great combative Jedi when it came to using the force as defense, never offense. Kenobi dedicated his force abilities into his physical abilities, as well as his perception and meditation to have a clear mind. He was skilled in Force Strength, Speed, Push, Pull, Mind Trick, Force Field, Deflection. On a scale of 1-10 on how well Obi Wan was as a Force User he is a 8 out of 10.
MACE WINDU
Mace Windu was considered a very powerful Jedi Master in the force, second to Yoda, he was gifted in many attributes of the abilities the force granted him. He was gifted with great precognition foresight, force crush, force push, speed, throw, physical strength and agility, and his greatest force ability shatter point: This ability is able to look for the weaknesses in opponents, like starting at a perfect shaped mirror, but being able to see the weak point. In his battles Mace Windu has been seen sending hundreds of battle droids flying by a powerful force push, he is also a Jedi who knows mind trick, force infiltration: This is when you can go inside someones mind to read their thoughts. In anything short Mace Windu was considered to be the Chosen One, until Anakin came along. On a scale of 1-10 Mace Windu was considered a 9 out of 10.
Winner of Round 3: Scale of 1-10
Obi Wan Kenobi: 4
Mace Windu: 6
Though both do not out class each other in the art of precognition and foresight, Mace is shown to have more power in the force, but these two would most likely not use the force on each other as an offensive type.
Winner of Round 3: Scale of 1-10
Obi Wan Kenobi: 4
Mace Windu: 6
Though both do not out class each other in the art of precognition and foresight, Mace is shown to have more power in the force, but these two would most likely not use the force on each other as an offensive type.
Round 4: Tactics
Obi Wan Kenobi
Obi Wan Kenobi was considered a great tactic mind when it came to battle, he was nicknamed the Negotiator during The Clone Wars, but he was an excellent duelist as well when it came to fighting. He knew when to advance and go offensive as well as when to be defensive and stone wall. However, Obi Wan Kenobi next to Mace Windu and Yoda and Anakin was considered one of the best Generals that served in The Army of The Galactic Republic. During duels Kenobi was often clever on how to lead opponents where he wanted, knew when to surprise his opponents, as well as make them fall into a false sense of security before springing a trap. Kenobi is always seen to come up with plans on the fly. The best thing Kenobi is known for is his ability to adapt and observe. On a scale of 1-10 Kenobi is considered a 9 out of 10.
Mace Windu
Mace Windu was a great, powerful, and wise Jedi Master. He was a very great strategist in his tactics when it came on engagements. Mace was one of the greatest Generals in the Clone Wars, normally taking on the hardest and most deadly missions other armies had to offer. Mace normally succeeded in his missions as well as his task, however when it comes to dueling he is very direct and forward, one would say his rushing to Palatines office was considered rash and wreckless when it came to confronting the Dark Lord of The Sith, Mace underestimated his opponent by only taking 4 Jedi Masters, however one could argue he didnt underestimate his opponent if he took 4 Jedi Masters, but that is always up for debate. However, despite Mace Windu's direct and forward approach, he can manage to do it because he is able to back it up and hold his own in almost any situation. On a scale of 1-10 Mace Windu is considered a 9 out of 10.
The winner of this round by 1-10
Obi Wan Kenobi: 5
Mace Windu: 5
Reasoning behind Verdict: Although this battle would be extremely epic to watch, it would play out much like Anakins and Obi Wans duel with Kenobi holding his own and not letting Mace overpower him, even though Mace would look for openings, but Kenobis defense would be too great and eventually his tactics and endurance as well as a skilled swordsman would carry him to victory over Mace Windu, but only by a slight margin.
Personal thoughts: Although it is favored that offense usually carries a battle, when you come across someone with a stone wall defense and you cannot overcome that person then eventually the offensive person tires out leaving the defensive person to perceive the attacks and give counter attacks and eventually mounting an offensive of their own to overcome the more tired offensive fighter. I know this from swordsmanship over 15 years of experience. Eventually offense is good, but if its not executed and doesn't succeed the repercussions are disastrous.
The winner of this round by 1-10
Obi Wan Kenobi: 5
Mace Windu: 5
The Scenario:
The Master of a Classic Form vs The Master of a Killing form.
This battle will take place on The Jedi Temple area.
As Mace Windu issued the challenge of The Master of a Classic form vs The Master of a Killing Form. Obi Wan would humbly accept Mace Windus challenge. The two Jedi Masters would meet in the Jedi Temple training room as both would ignite their Lightsabers and begin in their respected forms. Mace Windu would begin the offensive approach to test Kenobis legendary master-ship of Soresu, this would not disappoint Mace Windu and Kenobi would be very surprised and impressed of Mace Windu's speed, power, and lethal form. The two would begin to intensify their duel and this would play out much like Anakin vs Obi Wans duel with Windu getting a few physical strikes of punches and kicks to Obi Wan, but not without Obi Wan Kenobi returning some strikes of his own. During their duel Mace would be surprised that his Vaapad would be stone walled so well against someone like Kenobi. In this type of duel Soresu and Vaapad would be canceling out each other as the two great Jedi Masters would be admiring each of their abilities and strengths, this battle wouldn't use much of the force, only slight pushes and shoves it would to each other. Mace would attempt to use the force power of shatter point, but much to his surprised Kenobi would keep his defenses perfect, not even a inch out of place. As the battle would rage on, flashes of blue and purple would be seen throughout the temple to capture the attention of the Jedi within the halls. The battle would be the ultimate form of defense vs offense, but eventually the war of attrition would end with Mace not being able to get an angle over Kenobi, but Kenobi would out last enough to tire Mace Windu and eventually be so tight and perfect with his defense he would eventually slightly angle his blades to disarm Mace Windu, thus Making Obi Wan Kenobi the winner.Reasoning behind Verdict: Although this battle would be extremely epic to watch, it would play out much like Anakins and Obi Wans duel with Kenobi holding his own and not letting Mace overpower him, even though Mace would look for openings, but Kenobis defense would be too great and eventually his tactics and endurance as well as a skilled swordsman would carry him to victory over Mace Windu, but only by a slight margin.
Personal thoughts: Although it is favored that offense usually carries a battle, when you come across someone with a stone wall defense and you cannot overcome that person then eventually the offensive person tires out leaving the defensive person to perceive the attacks and give counter attacks and eventually mounting an offensive of their own to overcome the more tired offensive fighter. I know this from swordsmanship over 15 years of experience. Eventually offense is good, but if its not executed and doesn't succeed the repercussions are disastrous.
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